how did shirou beat archer

Gilgamesh is the great half-god, half-human king who, during the years before Jesus Christ was born, ruled over the Sumerian city-state of Uruk, the capital of ancient Mesopotamia. During in school, he wears his Homurahara Academy uniform. It's written in 1st person narrative. With the freedom to select a support, Masters can either borrow a class advantaged DPS, or borrow Nightingale to protect their team from Amakusa's NP. The important thing about Archer is that he has a personal agenda (assess Shirou and kill him if necessary), his duty as a counter guardian (prevent the holy grail from being activated) and his undercover status (keep being a useful servant to Rin and don't let her suspect his identity or motives). EMIYA sighed. Sadly, I can't find a direct source but I've seen people throw it around before but I don't know if its accurate.Here's a thread were someone someone threw it out: quote .I wish I could find a direct source to know if its accurate but oh well. Willpower, I guess. Lets not forget Archer is one of the most power creeped class in the series, although its probably because Gil happen to be Archer and the shit hits the fan and everything followed. Shirou noticed the servant in the room. Revealing his childhood dream to Shirou about becoming a 'hero of Justice', Kiritsugu admitted that the dream was impossible to accomplish as he became an adult. In Maekarat Misr: Najima, he takes the role of DIO's Servant, having been the Servant of Jonathan Joestar before serving the vampire. Archer loses the fight, but only because he does not attack Shirou as he is stabbed through the chest. Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka during the Fifth Holy Grail War, and he is also one of many Servants able to be summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order.His true name is EMIYA. Ten years before the start of Fate/stay night, Shirou was an ordinary boy living with his parents in Shinto. Archer reveals he needed to be freed from his contract with Rin in order to accomplish his goal of killing Shirou. While he is thoroughly cynical and nihilistic, he is at the same time devoted and protective, and even a little childish to the point that it makes him hard to hate. Archer unexpectedly faces Shirou early and by the time he faces Shirou, Shirou figured out his identity and challenged Archer. Shirou Emiya is one of the main protagonists of the visual novel/animeseries Fate/stay night. But now, nobody was answering her. She was nowhere near as scary as Rin but Rin was sure to follow in her wake. Lancer beats him in UBW because he's better than Archer in melee (longer range, more agility, better instincts), protection from arrows forces Archer to not use his bow, and Gae Bolg is pretty broken. Archer|アーチャー}} is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka in the Fifth Holy Grail War of Fate/stay night. This means Shirou is stronger than UBW Archer. Second of all, I don't doubt that Archer could have killed Herc 6 times. Pachuloz 9 years ago #1. Shirou is currently observing Archer's magecraft rather than Shirou's magecraft, so he cannot use Projection in his current state without invoking the abilities of the arm. It’s possible, but it’s not particularly likely. Lancer Ramza 10 years ago #7. I have been looking through my old files and stumbled across this story that I wrote so long ago out of boredom, or sudden inspiration (I can't remember). In HF Shirou was able to kinda defeat Alter because she was still holding back as in she didnt attacked him when he put distance between them and used a surprise attack not to mention that she suffered rank downs in AGI and her instinct skill. Shirou is currently observing Archer's magecraft rather than Shirou's magecraft, so he cannot use Projection in his current state without invoking the abilities of the arm. I still believe the theory that Archer knew Saber and Lancer (since he is Shirou's future self and owns Rin's pendant, he went through one HGW already. Unless I'm remembering wrong of course. Archer then kidnaps Rin after she forms a contract with Saber, forcing a situation where Shirou must engage Archer. After all, Archer would be strong enough to beat Castor, Kuzuki-sensei, Assassin, Lancer, Gilgamesh, and Kotomine. EMIYA sighed. Archer after was convinced by his old self,Shirou. Mostly will power probably. Shirou can't use UBW normally because he doesn't have the mana for it which is the entire reason he had mana from rin transferred into him However, when someone refers to "UBW" Shirou it refers to Shirou with a preference/penchant for Archer's fighting style with K&B+his reality marble, but the OP restricted the Reality marble part. Contains ecchi (+18). I guess he mostly use his skills and experiences despite his weakness. There is a scene in which a giant glowing ball absorbs Shirou (like some sort of pact), so I assume that's when he became a Heroic Spirit too. Ilya states that he will eventually obtain his own usage of Projection magecraft, but it is still only a possibility at his current level. He has some issues because the body is used, but even other good puppet makers cannot match up to it. Shirou Emiya is one of the main protagonists of the visual novel/animeseries Fate/stay night. It's a common misconception I see quite a lot of, I've seen people think Shirou is some kind of god for "defeating" Gilgamesh, which isn't remotely true. As soon as he says 'Trace On' or uses UBW his cover is completely blown and he doesn't want Rin to force him to tell her everything he remembers either. The gap in their skills was obvious, but somehow smaller than expected. Archer needed to be free from Rin's command seal in order to accomplish his goal of killing Shirou. He was found by Kiritsugu Emiya, who was dejected after the events of the war, and wishing to atone for all of his actions, he saved Shirou's life by embedding Avalon in his body. Ten years before the start of Fate/stay night, Shirou was an ordinary boy living with his parents in Shinto. -spoilers-User Info: Pachuloz. Kurapika VS Shirou Emiya ( Composite Fate, Unlimited Blade Works & Heaven's Feel)In characterWinner by KO, Incapacitation or DeathRandom encounte He would also know that Shirou is going to beat him. #27. Archer is not a proper Heroic Spirit in the sense of other heroes. I really liked how it was somewhat showed in the UBW anime where Archer fights Lancer with only 1 blade and baits him into thinking he's disarmed, only to summon both blades and counter him. Even assuming that Archer-Shirou didn't give it back to Saber during his original incarnation, it wouldn't have stuck with him after he died. The second installment in my Fate / Stay Night Servants Explained Series. When I was new to the Fate franchise I also had some trouble with sorting things out and putting them in their places (hell I'm still unclear about some things), but you're right in pointing out how nobody has the full truth of things. He is subsequently killed in combat against Berserker, but not before killing Berserker six times (five in the anime) and reducing his stock of lives from God Hand. In Fate it all depends on compatibility and circumstance. In short, Archer lost to Berserker because he is not the protagonist. like I am not the biggest fate expert and I didn't read the VN in details but Archer's power feels like working only to serve where the author want to take the plot and I know fate's power levels is complex for no reason but it just bugs me, At first they want to tell us that Archer is so weak and his status are shit he can't fight any close range servant such as Saber or Lancer then in Fate route he kills Herc "who should by top-tier and close to Saber and Cu at their peak" 6 times by himself, there absolutely no way he should done that because tracing A+ or A rank NB take shit tons of mana and time but he could somehow do it 6 times while fighting godlike fighter like Herc, then comes UBW where he gets rekt by Cu for some reason because Cu is fast and good at melee range and have protection from projectiles" even though Archer barely use projectiles, In HF he gets rekt by Saber Alter but later Shirou USING PART OF HIS POWER defeat her in sword fight "sparks liner high" ending, sure Saber didn't use her NB but Shirou shouldn't compete with her in the least if Archer can't, In other timelines you have him defeat the likes of Gawain and even Cu at some point. Using her magic, Archer's master, Rin Tohsaka, manages to revive Shirou. Avalon is Saber's Noble Phantasm, not Archer's; it's tied to her soul, not his, and Shirou was just holding it in his gut. 8 Gilgamesh: The Law Of Transitive Property He th… Shirou didnt defeat her in a swordfight at all, it was only a surprise attack. During the Grail War his goal was to kill Shirou, at no time he wanted to beat his opponent or won the war, that's why he betrayed Rin, Archer has ample means to beat most of the servants of the Grail war, the biggest problem for him are Saber and Berserker ! However Cu would have no chance against Heracles himself since he doesn't have enough different ways to kill Heracles in order to bypass God Hand. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And in this duel, Shirou is victorious. A servant was said to be unable to summon another servant. During the battle it's revealed that due to Shirou and Archer being the same person, the more he engages with Archer the more Shirou absorbs Archer's skills and abilities. His personality is very contradicting. As Shirou was eating, a certain servant came into the room. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. من أنمي Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works (الحلقات 19,20,21) استمتعوا ^_^ .لا تنسوا الاشتراك في القناة ليصلكم كل جديد . He means well and is capable of being nice, but often end… Loyal, independent, and reserved, Saber acts coldly but is actually suppressing her emotions to focus on her goals. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Archer killed Berserker that many times because he made full use of his BPs, tactics and terrain adavantage. Archer expected Saber to fight him personally, however Shirou decided to settle things between the two as the Hero of Justice. Does he not remember the events of this war? It didn't help that Luvia was overbearing, even if she had impressive… tracts of land. It would be his happiest memory, during which he reminisced on his life, noting that it was full of regrets especially his inability to save his daughter. They were not his to begin with; he just inherited them from Emiya Kiritsugu. At the Church, Kotomine tells Shirou that his decision to sacrifice Saber was the right choice. Archer needed to be free from Rin's command seal in order to accomplish his goal of killing Shirou. Or should I call you EMIYA?" Shirou noticed the servant in the room. The fight ends with Shirou about to die when the grail intervenes. Heroic spirit was said to have 3 NP at most. The fact that he seems to know Saber and has insane animosity towards Lancer makes sense, since Rin used the pendant to save him after Lancer stabbed him). Conquest gives a title which the Courts of the conqueror cannot deny. Her dress had a long strip of clothing missing in the middle to show off some of her body. Archer has shown Shirou what has happened to him when he (Archer) decided to blindly follow his ideals. Without worrying or complaining, Archer kept striving to be a "Hero of justice"- an ideal that has been passed onto him from Kiritsugu. The battle sped up from there as Archer began to start taking this seriously. It's unfinished, but I may finish it one day. He was an ultimately transcendent being so divine as to be two thirds god and one third human that no other person in the world could match him. Archer loses the fight, but only because he does not attack Shirou as he is stabbed through the chest. The great fire caused by the wish of Kotomine at the end of Fourth Holy Grail War killed both his parents and left him mortally wounded within the blaze. When Shirou reunited with this younger Gilgamesh, Shirou did not recognize him and was surprised as to how Gilgamesh would eventually grow into such a haughty and selfish person. EMIYA/Archer is a character from the anime/visual novel Fate/Stay Night. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. While not really a legend, he is said to h… It should stand to reason, then, that if Shirou can beat Gilgamesh, then by applying the law of transitive property, it can be assumed that Archer also beats Gilgamesh, since he is effectively Shirou but better. Archer knows Saber and he held back on her yes but he didn't hold back on Lancer, he don't have any reason to, Lol herc was enjoying their fight and considered him worthy and the statement that he was holding back due to Ilya was in Gil’s fight as he wants the grail inside Ilya’s body therefore threatened her safety whereas in archer’s case he was trying to buy time for rin and the others to escape. EMIYA said, snapping Shirou out of it. If they were able to work together that is. "Just call me Archer. In HF Shirou was able to kinda defeat Alter because she was still holding back as in she didnt attacked him when he put distance between them and used a surprise attack not to mention that she suffered rank downs in AGI and her instinct skill. He doesn't lie, but he does keep secrets and tell half truths. Well, Archer saved Shirou from Caster because he is a softie inside, and he probably wanted to see if this Shirou could be convinced to live a different life from how he lived But after he affirmed that this Shirou is 'hopeless', he decide to carry out his 'mission' User Info: Lancer Ramza. Cu gathered all his skills and reflexes to dodge Shirou's attack. He lived his life almost like Shirou did but unfortunately he never got close to Saber, Rin or Sakura. They were comfy… that wasn't the point. Not the one that have bigger gun. Archer Archer ... Matou's older brother, and a long-time friend of Shirou until Shirou discovered Shinji beating Sakura, at which point Shirou beat Shinji within an inch of his life. A combination of Will Power, Spirit Form abuse, and Independent Action iirc. http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png. However, instead of defending like before, Shirou used Archer's tactics and baited Cu into attacking him by letting his guard down. Archer!Shirou originally wanted to create a world where everyone would be safe; but no matter how hard he tried, people always died because his abilities just weren't enough. That wouldn't make sense then.. For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. Archer isnt a skilled offensive close range fighter however he is pretty good at defense. He only died later. Blade met blade several times in moments, as Shirou desperately countered every attack Archer threw at him. In both Midday and The Tales of a Rookie Samurai, he appears as Alter Shirou, addressing himself as Ruaku Aikawa (哀川 来悪, Aikawa Rūaku). Is inconsistent but thats just like any other character. In HF he had 3 people to protect, against 3 enemies. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Riverlia said: Chloes arrived to see mama Emiya feeding Miyu and fuss about how she has lost a couple kilogram recently. Lancer blocks the counter, but it's quite clear he was truly caught off-guard and it could have been lethal if his reaction had been the slightest bit late. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2664/7b7aaa038007832d461b28c.jpg, Haven't seen that scene in a long long time but as others have said, pretty sure it's a combination of willpower and plot, Illegally streaming copyrighted works is about to become a felony in the US. Archer's greatest strength is sheer flexibility. How did Shirou die? In the VN, UBW allows Shirou to keep Gil in melee range, seemingly forcing Gil to use a single weapon at a time in melee. Shit happen. Shinji is very popular as vice-captain of the archery dojo despite being chauvinistic and a narcissist. Shirou said that Ea was the only weapon in Gilgamesh's armoury that he could not trace because it's not from this world but this was after seeing Enkidu. Shirou vs. Salter Spark Liner High is full 1-on-1 duel. Archer then kidnaps Rin after she forms a contract with Saber, forcing a situation where Shirou faces off one on one against Archer. I'm more than positive that Archer could beat Gilgamesh. If Shirou were to summon his moody but better self things would take quite an interesting turn. Press J to jump to the feed. There's also the likely scenario of Illya stopping Archer from killing Shirou since she wants to do it herself/toy with him. When he kill Berserker in Fate, he either used UBW or he traced some broken phantasms. Isn't there a quote somewhere that Cu can kill Heracles but the fight isn't in his favor. And now we have Archers that is ridiculously strong or the ussual "he's pretty stronk, but IMAGINE IF HES AN ARCHER" which happen to house some broken servants in there. I don't think it's ever explained. Outside of UBW, Gil can pretty much vaporize Shirou or EMIYA within three seconds whenever he feels like it; against the latter, he would sense the threat and do just that, whereas he allowed himself to play around with the former because Shirou appeared to be so harmless. willyvereb Migratory Thinker. Also the people he saved eventually betrayed him and that lead to his destruction. One night at school, he witnesses a duel between warriors Archer and Lancer; the latter ambushes and kills Shirou. "S-senpai, I'm going in!!!" You know...the weak but skilled type of character. Second, even if Shirou had been hit, she would probably still have been able to extract his Command Seals. There's also nothing saying Archer has an up-front brawl with Berserker, and it would literally go very much against his established personality and style to do so. Shirou was capable of fighting against Gilgamesh with his version of the reality marble. Before facing off with Berserker, Archer advises Shirou to 'imagine something that can defeat it' when presented with an enemy he cannot defeat. "Hey, you okay?" Archer Archer ... Matou's older brother, and a long-time friend of Shirou until Shirou discovered Shinji beating Sakura, at which point Shirou beat Shinji within an inch of his life. Cu then saw an opening and attacked him, but Shirou saw his attack, turned around swiftly with a twist, and slashed him in the abdomen. As for Saber Alter, not only does Shirou use the GARM to trace weapons he usually wouldn't be able to, but he also had Rider helping and we can't discount the possibility that Saber was trying to resist against the corruption so fought more weakly than she usually would. ... That was something Shirou did not expect. Shirou could only win against Gilgamesh due to compatibility and circumstance, UBW counters Gate of Babylon and Gil didn't get serious fast enough. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. "Oh, hey Archer. He thought that by becoming a Counter-Guardian, the world would give him the necessary power to save more people. In Fate, Archer is a nameless hero who gives up his life in order to let his master, Rin, escape along with Saber and Shirou. And Gil should be gone after the 4th war. If Shirou has Archer's arm and hadn't used it before, and if they are fighting in the underground cave of Ryudo temple, he takes it with the Kakuyoku Sanren and survives because he still has 2 uses of the arm remaining. That kind of tactic is also shown in Episode 15 when. He was on his last projection, too, so how could he have enough prana to trace Excalibur? If he minimized his energy consumption completely besides using UBW briefly and using RH to save Shiro later, it's probable he could squeeze that last bit out. Essentially Archer could very well turn Shirou into a less experienced version of himself. She panicked. Shirou Emiya (Japanese: 衛宮 士郎, Hepburn: Emiya Shirō), also written as "Shiro Emiya" in Fate/unlimited codes, is a character and the main protagonist of the 2004 visual novel Fate/stay night, published by Type-Moon.Shirou is a teenager who accidentally participates in the "Holy Grail War" alongside six other mages looking for the eponymous treasure, an all-powerful, wish-granting relic. In the end any battle in Fate depends on circumstances. It feels weird being called as my last name by you." Emiya Archer hypothetically comes from Ilya’s path, the deleted route due to the controversial theme about “Lolicon” and “Non-blood-related Brother/Sister Incest.” 1. Archer is Shirou at Heroic spirit levels but alternate universe Shirou Archer I can see counted as a separate character like Future Trunks and Chibi Trunks considering the game does as well but you'd have those other Shirous mentioned above to choose from. -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick. There are so many half-truths and hidden truths, strongly reminds me of Dark Souls. He is usually seen wearing a dark grey tailored business suit at the office, and a black turtleneck when on a mission. When Lancer attacks him again, Shirou accidentally summons the servant Saber who drives Lancer away. If Herc didn't have Illya as his master, he would've been able to completely kill him fully. He is not a pure or proper Heroic Spirit, unlike most other Servants; he is a Counter Guardian. Or should I call you EMIYA?" Shirou is the catalyst in this case. Archer's stats is on the weaker side of things yet he managed to pull incredible feats in the Anime and VN. Kiritsugu final moments He died peacefully as he vaguely stared at the moon and commented how beautiful it is. I don't know how long it takes for them to charge up, but he should have gotten a decent amount of energy before killing Caster. It was Archer showing he's every bit as much of a hero as the rest of the participants (And specifically, that he is the 'super hero' he strived to be), basically. First time I hear that his duty as a Counter Guardian is to prevent HG from activating, where is it said? Powerlevels in Fate are inconsistent by nature, most fights are not decided by "X person can output 1000 units of power while Y person can only output 100" but they are decided by compatibility and circumstance. ; There are however, a few options in the Knight class that can protect the team, especially if Masters complement either Saber of Empireo or Kid Gilgamesh with additional Attack Downs from Servants such as Orion, Euryale, and Robin Hood. Remus_Lupa. If they're not in the cave Saber kills him instantly with Excaliblast. The fight ends with Gilgamesh about to die when the grail intervenes. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. Jan 10, 2015 #21 Fate Shirou can trace swords he's familiar with during mid-swing of a Servant or before … "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." Quickly using the spare key she had, she opened the door to the household and rushed over to the house. So guys what is the best style of anime opening and ending in your opinion? It would be weird if I had a younger version of myself calling me by my own name," Shirou replied. It is possible that Gilgamesh is a better person when he is still a child, or the potion he consume to revert to child affects his personality as well as his age. Another woman guided to his footstep by God's messengers, "I still have to teach her how to do a punch right." I really doubt Shiki could get close enough to stab his death points before Shirou could kill … Emiya Shirou could totally beat Tohno Shiki. 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